PROOF LDS GAs AND ESPECIALLY THE TOP 15 ARE SPIRITUALLY DEAD

PROOF LDS GAs AND ESPECIALLY THE TOP 15 ARE SPIRITUALLY DEAD

1. To be a true prophet you have to be given a NEW HEART from God.

1. 1 Samuel 10: 9
   
   

     9 ¶ And it was so, that when he had turned his back to go from Samuel, God gave him another heart: and all those signs came to pass that day. 

    10 And when they came thither to the hill, behold, a company of prophets met him; and the Spirit of God came upon him, and he prophesied among them.
   

   
   

     11 And it came to pass, when all that knew him beforetime saw that, behold, he prophesied among the prophets, then the people said one to another, What is this that is come unto the son of Kish? Is Saul also among the prophets?

2. Everyone who has been wrought upon and cleansed by the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost (which is the act of God giving one a new heart) will KNOW that this IS the gospel and the power of God unto salvation.

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   Mosiah 5:2

    2 And they all cried with one voice, saying: Yea, we believe all the words which thou hast spoken unto us; and also, we know of their surety and truth, because of the Spirit of the Lord Omnipotent, which has wrought a mighty change in us, or in our hearts, that we have no more disposition to do evil, but to do good continually.

3.Those who KNOW GOD having had the life transforming experience of getting a new creation by the power of God wrought down upon them, will expend all their energy of soul, might, mind and strength to preach and persuade everyone they can influence to come unto Christ with full purpose of heart that THOSE WHOM THEY LOVE AND KNOW AND TRULY CARE FOR might partake of the heavenly gift.

1. Alma 29: 1
   
   

     1 O that I were an angel, and could have the wish of mine heart, that I might go forth and speak with the trump of God, with a voice to shake the earth, and cry repentance unto every people!

There is no living LDS GA that even slightly measures up to this standard. Not only are they all, without exception, uninitiated in the gospel of Christ, they are in fact hypocrites lifted up in the pride of their imagination above all people working only abomination upon abomination sending millions unworthily to commit blasphemy against the Most High, and that for money, yea, even for filthy lucre's sake they administer to the unclean and enemies of God, the natural man, the unclean Mormons, both the sacrament and entrance into the House of the Lord.

For these crimes against God they are collectively THE MOST WICKED generation of men of all time, having sinned against greater knowledge and access than any other in all time, and of any world in existence.

That just about covers why God is NOT telling LDS GAs anything ever, and never will.

Atheist Need Faith Everyday To Live

This notion bothers atheist. None can deny that you need bucket loads of faith to live and move about in the world. A purely rational approach to modern living would grind everything to a screeching halt. Who could rationally drive a car without the faith that all the other cars will obey the laws? Expand the same idea to every way and means we move and have stuff moved upon the planet.

Who could associate with strangers in this strange world of homicidal maniacs, where at any moment, some gook might start shooting? Where does this trust and confidence abide? By experience we hold to faith.

The mundane will deny that this sort of faith is in any way the same as faith in God. Such suppose wrongly that there can be no experience with God to learn and trust and have faith. This is circular reasoning: 'there is no God therefore you cannot have any experience with him.'

The worlds throughout the universe experience God's command and obey his law. And we observe that things move along nicely. A wealth of good experience overcomes the tragic flaws when even horrific accidents wreak havoc. Nobody stops driving because they hear of or even witness a tragedy on the highway. There is such an overabundance of good experience both cosmologically and inter personally things continue. And overall it continues very well.

A mundane soul in the grips of paralyzing fear might avoid all risks and, heaven forbid, even avoid any and all experience with God. The reality of God is steady and ever-present. It will grind upon the shallow souls who insist nothing is above them, and from eternity to eternity, both in and out of the world and in and out of sentient existence, they shall eventually relent and act as if they have faith in God. This must be what God believes about them. Perhaps he knows that from experience.

We know that the world of academia has evolved in greater and greater unanimity to deny God. Let's hope that is as far as it gets. Lest suddenly people are frozen in fear altogether and over-react and the dissolution of all life on this planet ignites. I hope that by pushing a few of their buttons spares the world from the mundane ever pushing those really bad buttons someday.

The Greatest Sin Man Can Commit

Murder?  Nope
Rape?      Nope
Betrayal? Nope
Abuse?    Nope

All these can be forgive us and only one sin is unforgivable. Yet that sin cannot be committed by those who have not partaken of Christ's power and defied it and put Christ to open shame. So THE Greatest sin anyone can commit in this life is to fail to come unto Christ and be begotten of his power and made a new creature fit for eternities in the kingdom of God.

It is the entire purpose of coming into a world with free will. The only environment where the sacrifice of our will unto the will of the Father CAN be accomplished and acceptable facing down the entire world and openly forsaking this world laying down our lives as it were to take up a new creation with Christ in God.

God gave us free will in this world. Only by returning it unto God with full purpose of heart can we be free to continue to be added upon in eternity. And that awesome task must be done at hazard of the whole world in which we live. How great a test!

How well it proves faith in Christ.

Yet where is the great anxiety about it?

Where is the science to discover exactly how it must be done correctly to get the precise promise and valid results?

The psychology of its dynamics upon the human mind is akin to the overabundance of evidence proving the existence of God against human envy. The mind would rather deny the existence and glory of such an advanced being as God, even kill off the recognition of a being that far above us. Then we can feel valid in our own ego and revel in the high achievements we set our hearts upon, that they might have real value and worth and give us a sense of supremacy above others that all our efforts, sacrifice and diligence paid off. This is chosen rather than live in the awareness and fearfulness of the ever present reckoning of God's hand in all things great and small which man cannot resist to study and own as if his for the taking.

So too with the challenge of getting it right while we live. Just too daunting to have to live with the awareness. Let it be brushed aside into irrelevance where we trick our conscience to think we have accomplished it already and need not worry about it and even celebrate with other numbskulls that all is well yea, we prosper. 

The Greatest Sin Man Can Commit in This World is to do:

NOTHING

 To not care. To not admit. To not do. To not believe.

And of course go about with the delusion that we are all very good people.

Think of it this way. What is the worse that could happen in this life......? To not be born. So what would be the worse thing that could happen to you in the next life....?
To not be born into the kingdom of God. No day of judgement can change whether or not you were born to a kingdom or not. Either you are there or you are not.

So....I would be getting to being born of God already. Eh?

Review: Passing the Heavenly Gift by Denver Snuffer

Passing the Heavenly Gift
by Denver Snuffer: a Review

Denver Snuffer claims his book is not a history as much as it is a doctrinal commentary. So my review will be a doctrinal exposition more than a historical one. Like some others I praise Denver Snuffer admitting the weakness of the LDS Church. I condemn Denver Snuffer in skipping over the underlying cause of Mormon hypocrisy and for allowing ALL the weakness of Gentile apostasy to continue unchecked as he shifts the focus well beyond the mark to his fondness for a meeting with Jesus Christ face to face.

It is incredulous for a man as well versed in everything LDS to omit the true points of doctrine regarding the gospel of Jesus Christ. As valuable as his insights are into the despicable worldliness of Mormon leadership through so many generations down to the present hour, and such an insight could have saved me countless recriminations and allowed me greater charity in my own struggle to make the people see the light, yet Denver Snuffer opens up no wisdom or understanding of an alternative to this worldliness. Of course they should all have prevailed to have an audience with Jesus. That does not wash for a helpful assist. All is beyond the mark, and Jesus told the Nephites in the Land Bountiful, that anything more or less than the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost comes of evil. In so many words he did showing what counts for building upon the rock and not upon a sandy foundation. The foundation of the world. Where great shall be the fall thereof.

Another point I want to make against Denver Snuffer is how slippery he comes off not wanting to appear like he is seeking an office or wants to lead out and yet after all is said and done, he alone, remains worthy to lead, as he alone, has, according to his own testimony, spoken with the Lord.....for the first time.....in 2013! And he continually inserts the notion that having your calling and election made sure, which is what he thinks seeing Jesus is all about, also, and even ALWAYS bestows the sealing powers. And since all good LDSers know that there can ONLY be one man on earth at a time to hold the sealing powers, well, Denver Snuffer must be da man!

And he is quite meek and forebearing in not asking for to sit in Moses' seat. How unseamly for a Mormon, heaven forbid,  But after the plagues and harvest begins to reduce the population of the Church, then, by the voice of the people, he plants this notion that they have the power to set up whomsoever they will. We all know that the shepherds will scatter when the times get rough. 

That's my main point of review of Denver Snuffer's Passing the Heavenly Gift. He proves that he never came unto Christ acceptably to get the gospel right by obeying the commandments of Jesus Christ in:

1. Taking no thought for his life while seeking the kingdom of God and his righteousness.

2. Continue in fasting and prayer with one accord until the promise of the Father is realized in the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost.

If he had, or any other man ever did, then they would wear out their lives like Alma in seeing to it that all who hear his voice might repent sufficiently to be truly born of God. This is not done by any Mormon, no, not even Joseph Smith caught this vision and so the generations have stumbled greatly. He might have, had he lived just one more day, who knows? Joseph only had fourteen years. Hardly long enough to gain much wisdom in these things. He wanted a reformation. He did say so. (DHC Vol. 5, Chapter 27 Page 510)

3. Believing the missionaries that simply joining the Church and getting hands laid upon your head gave him the Holy Ghost.

4. Partaking of the sacrament unworthily for many many years and taking honors of priesthood and mission service (I think he did) and temple attendance and marriage all in an unclean state like the entire LDS Church does daily taking sanctification for granted by conceit and utter abominations somehow exempt him from the cursing of D&C 112....oh boy, you betcha. 

All of which has set him up for that wrath to be poured out upon his head with his fellow pretenders. And still, somehow, Jesus visited him and gave him advanced degrees of righteousness and a message for our time, for having lived so many years trampling the Holy One of Israel under foot? I don't think so.

And since all the Brethren make the same inference that they see Jesus and that the Lord is included in their sacred councils why not Denver Snuffer then to pretend to great things if he is trying to bring forth a better end? At least he is more concerned with Zion than worldly gain. Right?  He gives off that he suffers great personal expense to promote that message Christ has charged him with. He donates a good portion of his sales to something or other.

I think Denver Snuffer is a heck of a guy for having the moxie to put LDS hypocrisy in its place. And, unlike me, have people actually pay attention. Wow! Now if he could just be converted to the REAL gospel of Jesus Christ and obey the first commandments to come unto Christ where he waits at the door and knock, where he employs no servant there. NO Denver, it is not the calling and election made sure. It is the rock, the gospel of Jesus Christ, to be conceived his seed and born of God and raised up to a state of righteousness by the power of Christ's atonement. And that after your faith and willingness to forsake this world. Oh, crap. Really? The world, you say? This great big wonderfully academic, scientific, wonder of wonderful wonders? Yup. That is the sacrifice. That is why we are given a world and the freedom to sacrifice it. So we got something to give to prove our love of God and show that we are not willing to live without Christ in God in our lives. And demonstrate the faith we have in Christ to call down upon us God's judgement today, as to whether or not we enter the kingdom of God, yes, this moment.

But this is about Denver Snuffer and his teachings and not about what I say. He says that the entire point of the gospel is to get your calling and election made sure, and that ALWAYS gives you the sealing power over heaven and earth...like Nephi, no, the other Nephi, in Helaman 10. And since he already has it NOBODY else can get it because there can only be one on earth at a time......???

I noted some 34 points I disagree or have a problem with Denver Snuffer in his book. But I am not going to elaborate on them as my point is already made. You can take a look:

1.    Ruel/Jethro a descendent of Abraham? Page 29.

2.    Joseph Smith needed the Melchizedek Priesthood to see God. (Not if it was a mere vision and not a personal visitation.  He says he came to himself lying on his back....a vision.) Page 30-31.

3.    Calling and Election = sealing power. Page 81(Like Nephi in Helaman 10)

4.    Sealing power ALWAYS connected to C&E Page 85

5.    Brigham Young could not have sealing power without the heavens being opened to him and getting it from the voice of God.   Page 87

6.    Conflates fullness of the gospel with fullness of the priesthood.   Page 120-121 (3 nephi 16:10)

7.    Brigham Young guilty or Nephi 16 abominations citing mass slaughter of Indians near Pleasant Grove. Black Hawks people, and MMM as proof BY was not worthy to lead.   Page 145

8.    Joseph Smith head of human family in this dispensation, all must be sealed to him.    Page 153

9.    D&C 132 is composed from separate revelations.   Page 154

10.  Denies Taylor revelation is about plural wives (But it IS about entering into God’s glory the highest degree of heaven where the gods do the works of Abraham.)   Page 164-165

11.  Lamenting saints inability to live Zion but he fails to give a reason other than they craved individualism and self reliance. He omits the power of the gospel where it is most crucial in supplying the power to overcome the world, give us a new heart from God.   Page 188

12.  Again shows no understanding of the gospel power.  Simply citing ideals of Christianity like the people just need the gumption to do better.  Page 193

13.  Clueless once again about the commandments of the gospel of Jesus Christ and the power to overcome the world that flows from it. He says the people are just too competitive and uncooperative….lol oh man!  Page 194

14.  Writes about following the brethren and shows how spiritually vacant they all were since BY time to today.   Page 200-270  (Actually I rather appreciate this part. It's telling indeed)

15.  Power from ceremony not BFHG. Page 272-3

16.  Denies the gift and power of the Holy Ghost in preference to visitation of angels and seeing Christ. Says this is the way of the BoM...??? Page 277

17.  Says repent requires presence of Christ for forgiveness.   Page 277

18.  No need for being pre-qualified (to be clean) to enter the temple.   Page 282

19.  Skips gospel to sanctification by seeing Christ. Page 287

20.  Denver Snuffer sets himself up as a MOSES type.    Page 290

21.  Messenger before my face not a church leader.  Sets up the idea of the voice of the Church, common consent can call him when they want to. Page 316  (I think)

22.  Come unto Christ is to enter his presence to gain salvation NOT THE GOSPEL.   Page 337

23.  Seek Christ’s presence is the gospel. Page 344

24.  Gospel binds generations. (sealed)  Page 388

25.  Unite behind the messanger. (Denver Snuffer)  Page 402

26.  Beyond the mark no servant there.  Page 456

27.  No appreciation for the gospel.    Page 460

28.  Priesthood from God or angels.   Page 462

29.  Joseph Smith was like DS, a messenger.  Page 463

30.  To abide with Christ is him taking up his abode with us.  Page 450

31.  Elijah last to hold the keys by VoG  Page 474

32.  Sealed to JS or burned up at the Lord's coming. Page 486

33.  Fails to realize that BFHG makes us children of Abraham not sealing. Page 486

34.  Then why skip the real gospel?  Page 496

Not So Crazy Any More

Probably not what you may have expected but I believe that I solved the problem that has for so long kept me most crazy. When I got religion and my village rejected me for it I had to lock them off so that they could not reach me. They locked me out first sure, but that forced my reaction, which was equal to theirs.

The answer is transcendent. There is barely any difference between faith and no faith and between wicked and righteous, so little as a wisp of thought. Experimenting with this today, my being The World's Top Zion Scientist, I unlocked now by this discovery what I had for so many years locked off. It was an extreme prejudice. It was a hunkered down against the world resentment and maybe even hatred if I dare say. I must name it crazy though because it caused dysfunction in me. I feel the cocoon peeling off from around me.

I will give peace a chance. Perhaps others can experiment with the notion that even your worst self is only a quaver aside from your best you. So little as to not be distinct though we imagine the rift is vast and beyond reach especially when projecting this against others. Yet, wonderfully, it is not enough difference to matter in truth. No reason to react or hate or fail to love and expect less than the best for yourself and others.

I feel much better and less hamstrung from pursuing my passions with greater faith among the people. Yeah, I have been holding back and I think that I have held back considerably, not believing in people and accepting that it is a forgone impossibility for people to change. Interesting.

The proof of the experiment was to purposefully move from an evil mind to a righteous mind. I did this early today after a boss pissed me off. I noticed my foul mind and with intent changed it instantly taking note of the values and distance and means that made for the change. It was nothing more than a desire followed to fruition. A thought. No distance. No change in my own personal worth. Transcendental management. Oh boy. The evil had no value at all. And we must conclude that the good we value so highly is really not all that much either. This makes for a pride killing realization and good on it.

We perhaps but at lease I have labored under the duress that we must suffer evil's full weight until some satisfaction is reached. Stupid thinks me now. I can love better so suddenly.

Please now will everyone tell me how obvious this is and how crazy I have been to ball up and protect my faith like it was so precious and the only one fearing others actually had power to threaten it. I am free!

Some charge God foolishly blaming him for all the evil in the world. If the difference between good and evil is no more than a slight mental shift, a quaver in the vibration of our lives, then evil is as much a fact of what and who we are as is good. This fact insists that we manage ourselves and wisely create great joy or allow misery and sadness. Satan does not make us evil. Just as God will encourage and enhance the good the powers of darkness will encourage what makes us crazy. Dang! That was a long haul through the night.

The power to choose is ours regardless. The wisdom to keep clean in a firmness of mental intent is priceless.

The Problem With Being Smart

Cross posted (and possibly updated) from my thread of the same name on the MD board:

All intelligence naturally exists one above another in just how intelligent they may be.
I believe that you bring into this life the mental experience you developed in the Pre-existence.
If you spent you days and eons up there being clever and witty and mostly searched after greater wisdom and knowledge it cannot be helped but that when you bring that same soul into this world you will content yourself with the same.

Who prepared against the moment of probation wisely and practiced faith in God and the love of God such that when here searching for it finds it? Do you even feel the lack of what you once treasured? Or did you fail to treasure it all that much from the beginning? How smart was that?

You see the point, don't you? It is still probation now all the same. You COULD begin now to crave the love of God and seek it above all other desires. Could you? Look at the mess you are up against in this hour! All the complexity of life in our age wars against any sublime intent or even a quietude suited for the task. Where to begin. Indeed!

If not heavily invested from before you were born how scarce is the chance you will give sufficient a flip to not just forget about God all the same? And that forgetting is not all about atheism. Most of the forgetting is the foundation of all organized religion. They make hay of the forgetfulness of God. And the make that hay handily don't they?

Matthew 7:20-27
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24 ¶ Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

Is the game of smartsmanship all in all? Should it be?
Whence then Zion? It will never arise from the mind of man but by the power of God in us. How then get we that power with the glut of obstacles that cumber our way?

Or do we forget about Zion too?

The Gospel of Jesus Christ (done right)

Every wrong way of applying the gospel of Jesus Christ seems to skip to the last page.
The popular Evangelical movement is stuck on the supposed moment grace is received. A solitary thought accepted just a moment before: PRAISE GOD, THANK YOU JESUS. And the Mormon notion of keeping commandments, enduring to the end, presupposes and that without merit, that they are already at that point of needing to simply hang on. I am not certain what the Catholic and Orthodox gospel is other than membership in their churches. Which would again be fait accompli without having actually obeyed what Jesus told us to do.

How does all the world not see it? Christ told us:
1. Take no thought for your life, what to eat or put on, transcend the cares of the world. Stop what you are doing and pay attention to what the Lord has said.
2. Seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness before you get a career, go to school, join the army, sew your wild oats, make a fortune, start a business, get married. Do none of these things before you come unto him and honor him first, showing him due respect, such that he might come in and sup with you, and open the door to the sheepfold unto you, him being impressed that you fear him and forsake all else in your obedience to honor him as your God.
3. When you are being drawn unto him, for no man can come unto Christ save the Father draws him, continue with one accord. Do not take a break. Stay on it and see it all the way to the finish. Jesus was among the Jews who believed on him for as long as forty days.....and after all that he commanded that they not depart but continue in fasting and prayer with one accord until they RECEIVE the promise of he Father......the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost. Not changing what this born of God event means to suite your own pride, or knuckle under to the vanity of men, no matter how many flatter themselves so, even when it is everyone you know. A broken heart and contrite spirit repenting after convinced by faith in Christ to hunger and thirst after his righteousness, forgiveness and yes even sanctification. Walking evermore not after the conceit of men who gainsay to follow Christ but in power with God daily. Only the fearless will find it. Just as God has always been fearless to create and uphold all things by the perfect strength of his great love, he seeks in us a like mindedness, a fearless walk before him. Such is faith and such is that love that casts out all fear.

This is a sufficient understanding of the matter. Nobody needs a preacher, a church, an ordinance to repent with all their heart, might, mind and strength. The process of coalescing your whole soul to become perfectly subjected to Christ and live evermore under his name in all things takes more than a mere casual thought before a THANK YOU JESUS. No ordinance or multiplicity of ordinances will compensate for failure to come unto Christ precisely to manifest the predicted results that he commanded that we must receive to become his son or his daughter.

If there is a church of like saints you happen to find then by all means join them and be baptized unto fellowship with them and receive good ordinances in their proper time and according to the commandments set to build up and establish the Zion of our God and of his Christ. Hallelujah! Having gotten it right at last. Hallelujah!

If there is no power of God that falls upon you to reveal unto you a perfect knowledge of the Lord, having been made a partaker of his power and touching his glory, you must still keep at it with one accord. Never allow a money grubber to flatter you to praise Jesus without real salvation or warrant you temple worthy for filthy lucre and sustaining votes. Come to Zion. What else? The time is short.